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Comments on: Re-Framing Ross: Whither Big Pictures? http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194 postindustrial crafts Wed, 22 May 2013 07:39:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Hannahbelle http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9460 Hannahbelle Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:59:48 +0000 http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9460 Oooh, I agree with Casey, I'd really like to see a 'what is an artist's responsiblity' discussion. Both in relationship to fine art and the crafting world. Oooh, I agree with Casey, I’d really like to see a ‘what is an artist’s responsiblity’ discussion. Both in relationship to fine art and the crafting world.

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By: Cassy http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9390 Cassy Mon, 04 Apr 2011 21:44:28 +0000 http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9390 Love your blog and the topics you've been exploring lately. I have another suggestion for the White privilege section. It's an article called "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Backpack" by Peggy McIntosh. http://www.uakron.edu/centers/conflict/docs/whitepriv.pdf Love your blog and the topics you’ve been exploring lately. I have another suggestion for the White privilege section. It’s an article called “White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Backpack” by Peggy McIntosh. http://www.uakron.edu/centers/conflict/docs/whitepriv.pdf

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By: Casey http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9388 Casey Mon, 04 Apr 2011 20:26:09 +0000 http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9388 Apart from these 4 items, one other topic struck me as I was reading the comments on Ashley's post. What is an artist's responsibility? Apart from these 4 items, one other topic struck me as I was reading the comments on Ashley’s post. What is an artist’s responsibility?

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By: Hannahbelle http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9381 Hannahbelle Sun, 03 Apr 2011 16:11:13 +0000 http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9381 I am of mixed opinions on this whole issue. On one hand, I can see where the issues with Heather Ross sparked this conversation -- which I believe has gone it's correct route and is no longer targeting a single designer, at all. It just started with her, and that is sad because I truly believe that Heather Ross never intended to represent a racist or biased or privileged view of the world. She was just introducing us to her own imagination and past through her fabric designs. I do not even particularly feel that it is fair or necessary for crafters to request that a single particular designer should change parts of her design to be more PC. I think that it's within each and every crafters' rights to present their opinion to those that produce things they buy, as consumers, but in the same way that you are presenting your opinions here on the blog, I think that Heather has a right to represent herself in her art as she sees fit, without being called a racist. On the other hand, the bigger issue here is obviously a misrepresentation or lack of representation of other races in crafting. I think that part of this error is cyclical -- we see images of white women crafting, and therefore grow up, unless we see other women or men crafting, believing that those are the people who craft. And this is simply not true. People of all races and genders and ages across the entire globe craft. While Carla's post in particular was coated in extreme racist views and misinterpretations of SO MANY things, I will admit that she has a point. If white women like Heather Ross are presenting their childhoods to the world, where are the designers from other races and countries representing their childhoods? If they are designing fabric, why do they feel that in order to make it sell they have to present certain views or images? And if they ARE presenting their fabric with images of only african-american children or only native-american children, why is it wrong for H.R. to present only pictures of white children? I guess what I am trying to say is that yes, there is something wrong with the textile/crafting industry's underrepresentation or misrepresentation of other ethnicities. This needs to change. This needs to have attention (like this awesome post and the ones before and in response to it on other blogs from other people, too) brought to it. But I also would like to believe that in the same way we should push the celebration and showing of people of other nationalities and ethnicities, we should also stop attacking white crafters and artists for being white. I am of mixed opinions on this whole issue. On one hand, I can see where the issues with Heather Ross sparked this conversation — which I believe has gone it’s correct route and is no longer targeting a single designer, at all. It just started with her, and that is sad because I truly believe that Heather Ross never intended to represent a racist or biased or privileged view of the world. She was just introducing us to her own imagination and past through her fabric designs. I do not even particularly feel that it is fair or necessary for crafters to request that a single particular designer should change parts of her design to be more PC. I think that it’s within each and every crafters’ rights to present their opinion to those that produce things they buy, as consumers, but in the same way that you are presenting your opinions here on the blog, I think that Heather has a right to represent herself in her art as she sees fit, without being called a racist.

On the other hand, the bigger issue here is obviously a misrepresentation or lack of representation of other races in crafting. I think that part of this error is cyclical — we see images of white women crafting, and therefore grow up, unless we see other women or men crafting, believing that those are the people who craft. And this is simply not true. People of all races and genders and ages across the entire globe craft.

While Carla’s post in particular was coated in extreme racist views and misinterpretations of SO MANY things, I will admit that she has a point. If white women like Heather Ross are presenting their childhoods to the world, where are the designers from other races and countries representing their childhoods? If they are designing fabric, why do they feel that in order to make it sell they have to present certain views or images? And if they ARE presenting their fabric with images of only african-american children or only native-american children, why is it wrong for H.R. to present only pictures of white children?

I guess what I am trying to say is that yes, there is something wrong with the textile/crafting industry’s underrepresentation or misrepresentation of other ethnicities. This needs to change. This needs to have attention (like this awesome post and the ones before and in response to it on other blogs from other people, too) brought to it. But I also would like to believe that in the same way we should push the celebration and showing of people of other nationalities and ethnicities, we should also stop attacking white crafters and artists for being white.

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By: P. http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9367 P. Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:06:50 +0000 http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9367 Pam- I have loved your writing and projects for what feels like a long time and I appreciate your putting these questions out there. One element that I think is really interesting about all of this is public figures in the modern craft movement are generally selling their own existence as a 'brand'. By definition you are included, as is Heather Ross and everyone else who is promoting their blog/patterns/fabric/advice/etc. I thought that all of this got much more interesting when Heather Ross started commenting. From my point of view, her initial response to public opinion about race was in line with maintaining her 'brand' which is to say that she has merchandized her life story into her line of fabric. Her memories, her drawings, her fabric...her brand. What got more interesting is that her comments on your blog's two posts have gotten increasingly hostile, which is in sharp contrast with the child-like spirit of her fabrics (which I own a fair amount of), her book of weekend projects in rural Vermont and her blog of drawings. I think if anyone has diminished the shine of the Heather Ross brand it is not you with your discussion of privilege but her with her comments so out of line with the public image she has cultivated and sold. p.s. your dog is really adorable. Pam- I have loved your writing and projects for what feels like a long time and I appreciate your putting these questions out there. One element that I think is really interesting about all of this is public figures in the modern craft movement are generally selling their own existence as a ‘brand’. By definition you are included, as is Heather Ross and everyone else who is promoting their blog/patterns/fabric/advice/etc.

I thought that all of this got much more interesting when Heather Ross started commenting. From my point of view, her initial response to public opinion about race was in line with maintaining her ‘brand’ which is to say that she has merchandized her life story into her line of fabric. Her memories, her drawings, her fabric…her brand. What got more interesting is that her comments on your blog’s two posts have gotten increasingly hostile, which is in sharp contrast with the child-like spirit of her fabrics (which I own a fair amount of), her book of weekend projects in rural Vermont and her blog of drawings. I think if anyone has diminished the shine of the Heather Ross brand it is not you with your discussion of privilege but her with her comments so out of line with the public image she has cultivated and sold.

p.s. your dog is really adorable.

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By: clare http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9291 clare Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:32:28 +0000 http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9291 That dude - your comment was fantastic. These are just some of the issues I've been thinking about surrounding crafting and the DIY-slow food-ethical shopping movement and the way it paints this vision of wealthy whites saving the world one pair of fair trade shoes at a time. So much of it is about giving participants a sense of personal purity as a stand-in for action (mittens as revolution made me laugh out loud). Your post has given me so much extra food for thought. That dude - your comment was fantastic. These are just some of the issues I’ve been thinking about surrounding crafting and the DIY-slow food-ethical shopping movement and the way it paints this vision of wealthy whites saving the world one pair of fair trade shoes at a time. So much of it is about giving participants a sense of personal purity as a stand-in for action (mittens as revolution made me laugh out loud). Your post has given me so much extra food for thought.

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By: Kate http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9229 Kate Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:45:31 +0000 http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9229 Yup. I guess the personal is political still, even in the craft store. I don't think I commented on the last post about this because I needed to think about it. I feel much more comfortable with this. It feels more like a 'what can we do' than a righteous 'fighting for those poor black people'. I know that wasn't at all how you meant the first post to be read, but it was uncomfortably close to that line, for me. As a white person interested in social justice, it's a line I'm particularly wary of. I particularly liked the point about whimsy. Have you seen 'unpacking the invisible knapsack'? I can't remember if it has been mentioned. I think it's list of white privileges is useful here http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/mcintosh.html Particularly: 6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented. Re the mosaics. Some of those in the first set COULD be POC - they MIGHT be asian or latino children. Their skin is not that much lighter, for eg, than the kids in the Hawaii'n print. But they are not obviously non-white. Which I think is what we need. Non-white children/people in everyday representations. Not noticeably different or highlighted because of their skin. Just different people. Otherwise, it's 'white (male, middle clas, cis, straight) is the default neutral, everything else is 'other''. Personally, I am a white person who would prefer to have diverse bodies and people represented to me. Fat kids, thin ones, poc, different genders, etc. Not as a Thing, not 'this is the Fat Kids fabric and this one is the Brown Kids fabric;. Just in there. Normal. Yup. I guess the personal is political still, even in the craft store.

I don’t think I commented on the last post about this because I needed to think about it. I feel much more comfortable with this. It feels more like a ‘what can we do’ than a righteous ‘fighting for those poor black people’. I know that wasn’t at all how you meant the first post to be read, but it was uncomfortably close to that line, for me. As a white person interested in social justice, it’s a line I’m particularly wary of. I particularly liked the point about whimsy.

Have you seen ‘unpacking the invisible knapsack’? I can’t remember if it has been mentioned. I think it’s list of white privileges is useful here http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/mcintosh.html

Particularly:
6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

Re the mosaics. Some of those in the first set COULD be POC - they MIGHT be asian or latino children. Their skin is not that much lighter, for eg, than the kids in the Hawaii’n print. But they are not obviously non-white. Which I think is what we need. Non-white children/people in everyday representations. Not noticeably different or highlighted because of their skin. Just different people. Otherwise, it’s ‘white (male, middle clas, cis, straight) is the default neutral, everything else is ‘other”.

Personally, I am a white person who would prefer to have diverse bodies and people represented to me. Fat kids, thin ones, poc, different genders, etc. Not as a Thing, not ‘this is the Fat Kids fabric and this one is the Brown Kids fabric;. Just in there. Normal.

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By: Nicholas http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9222 Nicholas Sun, 13 Mar 2011 23:32:50 +0000 http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9222 If I could interject a possibility for further reading on the economics of textile production, Pietra Rivoli's 2005 book The Travels of a T-Shirt in the Global Economy: An Economist Examines the Markets, Power, and Politics of World Trade does a fantastic job at muddling the issues surrounding the dwindling American textile market. If I could interject a possibility for further reading on the economics of textile production, Pietra Rivoli’s 2005 book The Travels of a T-Shirt in the Global Economy: An Economist Examines the Markets, Power, and Politics of World Trade does a fantastic job at muddling the issues surrounding the dwindling American textile market.

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By: Onward « Knitting Kninja http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9221 Onward « Knitting Kninja Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:01:08 +0000 http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9221 [...] are two more blog posts I’d like to call to your attention. Pam at Flint Knits has posted a follow up to the original guest post, and Huan-Hua at Feather and Fan has posted her take on the matter. I hope it is taken as I intend [...] […] are two more blog posts I’d like to call to your attention. Pam at Flint Knits has posted a follow up to the original guest post, and Huan-Hua at Feather and Fan has posted her take on the matter. I hope it is taken as I intend […]

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By: Anna http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9211 Anna Sun, 13 Mar 2011 03:15:19 +0000 http://www.flintknits.com/blog/?p=194#comment-9211 Good. Thoughtful discussion and a reading list. It's been a long several weeks of frustration at the political things going on in state governments, and your blog gives me hope for the world. So, thanks. I needed that. Good. Thoughtful discussion and a reading list. It’s been a long several weeks of frustration at the political things going on in state governments, and your blog gives me hope for the world. So, thanks. I needed that.

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